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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 12008 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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The workings of the human mind are not well understood at all. I believe it was Kant that spoke about the Noumanl and phenomenal Realms, in which the mind is in an entirely different reality to the physical body. In such a philosophy it would not be hard to imagine a god in the phenomenal realm who could still influance the noumenal realm.



Now im back to asking for evidence Smile I see no evidence for duality? is it called duality?

The next 20-50 years should be interesting though, If the law of accelerating returns holds true...might get some answers to these age old questions...
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 12008 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


Kant was a philosopher, not a scientist. He reasoned in as logical a manner as possible (though not pure logic, in the philosophical sense) but ultimatly it is not based on evidence. It is based of a set of assumptions which he thought this was the natural conclusion of.

As I said, the human mind is not well understood. I don't think it is possible to say "If god were talking to people, we would be able to detect it"
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 12008 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


Sendal wrote:
Kant was a philosopher, not a scientist. He reasoned in as logical a manner as possible (though not pure logic, in the philosophical sense) but ultimatly it is not based on evidence. It is based of a set of assumptions which he thought this was the natural conclusion of.

As I said, the human mind is not well understood. I don't think it is possible to say "If god were talking to people, we would be able to detect it"


thats why i prefer the philosophy of science,

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Aye, i was a a decade or two ahead of myself there probably Razz we havnt fully quanitfied the human brain Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 12008 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


ok...so you want proof of the existence of Allah and that Islam is the truth:


http://www.caliphate.eu/2007/10/thinking.html

http://www.caliphate.co.uk/files/proofofGod.pdf

http://www.caliphate.eu/2007/10/need-for-messengers.html

http://www.caliphate.eu/2007/10/proof-of-quran.html

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if you don't like to read then try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX-bTB7SOJU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iL7rphuWIw

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read also this if you have the time..

http://www.bilalphilips.com/content_display.php?c=243&p=
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 12008 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


khalifbih wrote:
ok...so you want proof of the existence of Allah and that Islam is the truth:


http://www.caliphate.eu/2007/10/thinking.html

http://www.caliphate.co.uk/files/proofofGod.pdf

http://www.caliphate.eu/2007/10/need-for-messengers.html

http://www.caliphate.eu/2007/10/proof-of-quran.html

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if you don't like to read then try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX-bTB7SOJU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iL7rphuWIw

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read also this if you have the time..

http://www.bilalphilips.com/content_display.php?c=243&p=



none of these links contain any evidence or proof.

here is some nice quotes for you though.


Joseph Schacht - The criticism of traditions as practised by the Muhammadan scholars is inadequate and that, however many forgeries may have been eliminated by it, even the classic corpus contains a great many traditions which cannot possibly be authentic, all efforts to extract from this self contradictory mass an authentic core have failed. - search for historical muhammad.


So many scholars have also accepted totaly uncritically the traditional account of the compilation of the Quran, but this account is in the words of burton, a mass of confusion, contradictions and inconsistencies, and is nothign short of scandalous that western scholars readily accept all that they read in muslim reports on the discussion on the quran" - the dark rise of islam.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 12009 3:48 am    Post subject: Bravo Reply with quote


Someone needs to speak up and proclaim these violent and insane religions are things of the past that we simply can no longer afford to allow to infest modern life.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=216_1207467783

http://www.themoviefitna.com/
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yeah, unfortunantely, things are easily manipulated. . . .and ppl tend to follow things blindly. . . .(ya ya, some ppl use that as an argument against religion)
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islam is not a violent religion and if you think so then you need to get better informed about it, extremist use it as an excuse and interpret it in a different way then it is supposed to be. The islam does not preach violence it is a peacefull religion

btw this is not directed at anyone in particular Razz
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KevKurba wrote:
islam is not a violent religion and if you think so then you need to get better informed about it, extremist use it as an excuse and interpret it in a different way then it is supposed to be. The islam does not preach violence it is a peacefull religion

btw this is not directed at anyone in particular Razz


i totally know what you mean, this movie for example:

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if you look at some of the quotes it gives about "killing the unbeleivers", if you look at the OTHER half of the sentence that this movie doesn't show, it says "if they attack you"

personally, i'm dissapointed with politicains, scapegoating religion, rather than extremists Rolling Eyes
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